Curse

Celain · Nov 08, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by tenorplayer

If you're planning on doing this when you're already bored, I highly discouage you from trying. You'll go back to whatever was boring to begin with.

Some pevious experience grinding is always good... I played Kal Online on my 12 month break from Guild Wars. Getting 2% of a level per 5 minute run through a quest feels like lightning speed.

Can someone please answer my question about the Strider leaving my aggro bubble? I know it could rely on pure luck and where the bird spawns, but still, an expert answer would be greatly appreciated.

In order to death level, you need mobs whose "roaming" area includes the rezz altar or very near it. If you pull them from too far away they'll always run back. It usually takes me a couple of times rezoning to get a spawn that will work.

Earth · Nov 08, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Seeing as I accidently accepted 2 quest rewards, I had to start over, new name: Lag Is Leet. And for the Strider part, I always take the one left of the exit/entrance of Ashford Abbey. They usually stay inside the agro bubble.

Titan Chrae · Nov 08, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

Since I just plain like to explore... I went out with that mission in mind. I killed everything I came across and after about 4 hours I was level 7. I haven't taken ANY quest rewards. I still have about half of presear to explore and I'm still getting decent XP most of the time.

Also, I'm trying to work out a way to get dual titles but as other people have commented...I can't see how using a pet would work for leveling up monsters. The pet does help you level faster though.

cheesymac · Nov 08, 2006, 09:05 PM // 21:05

I have been testing this over the last 24 hours or so and am still having the agro problems decribed above (the last few posts seem to answer this at least a bit, but if you have more detailed info, it would be appreciated).

I have spent several hours this morning testing pet death leveling. I am having a very hard time keeping the pet from fighting and so the enemies tend to die especially since they don't seem to heal. I finally did manage to have a wandering Melandru's Stalker kill my pet stalker 60-70 times in a row. This was accomplished by staying near the statue of Melandru where you first acquire the "Ranger's Companion" quest. The statue heals anything near it, so the stalker I was trying to level did not die from my agressive pet. It seems like this should have been enough to prove the concept but the thing never leveled.

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enemies DO heal but they must be out of combat to do it. Also, I have re-run the test using 2 moss spiders (attacking my pet) and 1 melandru's (attacking me). My pet is a basic lvl 5 Melandru's. I res'd my pet more than 120 times so far and NOTHING has leveled.

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My questions:
1. Has anyone successfully used a pet to level any monster? (if so, details please.)
2. Is there any way to keep your pet from fighting back when it gets attacked?
3. Does anyone have ANY additional info that might be helpful?
4. If pet death leveling doesn't work currently, how can we get Anet to put it back?

-Cheese E

tenorplayer · Nov 09, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18

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Originally Posted by Celain

In order to death level, you need mobs whose "roaming" area includes the rezz altar or very near it. If you pull them from too far away they'll always run back. It usually takes me a couple of times rezoning to get a spawn that will work.

Hehe, thanks for the reply Celain.

I ended up PM'ing Ju and finding a good spawn on my own. Level 15 Strider here I come. ^^

I think this might be the advent of me trying out a Beastmaster.

The Bright · Nov 09, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Anyone with this title who left Pre-Searing? I guess the title will still be there Post-Searing, but if someone could confirm...

Got a monk at level 11, 46% towards 12. Still levels up faster than I expected, but I just solo'd everything behind the wall since level 9, this probably sped it up a lot. A pet helps too (shared aggro and a bit more damage output). Got a level 5 Stalker at level 5 and he always levels up when I do. Ben Wolfson can also speed it up a bit. But he won't run away when you run away and usually dies early.

legendel · Nov 09, 2006, 08:38 PM // 20:38

death by toots (level 6 atm)

sorry i couldn't bear to be toots is leet, even when tongue in cheek, lol

Marsun · Nov 09, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

ohh noes, died.

Made a new one named: Iva Willcrush!

cheesymac · Nov 09, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by Marsun

ohh noes, died.

Made a new one named: Iva Willcrush!

Unless someone can prove that it's possible to level enemies with your pet, a "Survivor" "Defender of Ascalon" will forever be out of reach.

Kamer · Nov 10, 2006, 03:48 AM // 03:48

A friend and I have started our quests for this title, Derek The Glad and New Genetic Evolution, wish us luck!

. Im wondering, will this stay after we enter Post-Searing?

Cataclysm · Nov 10, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Wow, 100+ hours... I'd join you if I had another character slot.

Talic · Nov 10, 2006, 07:18 AM // 07:18

I guess I'll join in.

Talic is leet.

Marsun · Nov 10, 2006, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by cheesymac

Unless someone can prove that it's possible to level enemies with your pet, a "Survivor" "Defender of Ascalon" will forever be out of reach.

I must choose one of the titles, I would have to pick the survivor title.

God Apprentice · Nov 10, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

Yeah nice guide. Now before I try this can anyone confirm if this is a Account-wide title? Or just character-wide?

Also 100 hour may seem a long time, but when you think about it, you can leave your game AFK while you go to work or school. Only real worry is err=007ing while leveling the mobs up.

It's character only, not account.

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

I'd love to get this and Legenary Survivor

Maybe I'll give it a go, just for fun.

Maxie you shouldn't have deleted your level 18 war you had ;p

Leo's at 19 I dunno if Leo will go for 20

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Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

does it still exist that: as a party of 2 in pre-searing, if 1 person dies but 1 person is still alive, that 1 dead guy will res at the shrine?

I -KNOW- it used to be like that, but does it still do that? or must you BOTH die to res at the shrine?

if it is still possible I'll probably try to get ldoa/legendary survivor- using 2 clients & 2 accounts.

No you will not rez unless you both die

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Originally Posted by B§x¿44¶»1@$

1. Start out, leave ascalon city, do the quest your dude gives you. Accept reward for 2 skills and some experience. No more quests for the rest of time.

2. Find the secondary trainer for your primary profession, monks would be Mhenlo, necromancer would be Munne (in the catacombs), ranger would be Nente in regent valley, Mesmers would be Althea just north of where you did that quest. Talk to them for an additional 2 skills, accept their quest, but don't do it. Go into a town and abandon it.

3. Do the same thing for any one secondary. You should now have about 7 skills on your bar. (I recommend ranger pets, so you can death level a Moa bird to 5 levels above yourself every night.

4. Get collector armor, armor is as follows for most professions I believe
A. Chest and Legs are at Ranik, you need 5 unnatural seeds+5 spider legs. PM Dom Caplan Is Leet to be sold some.
B. Gloves can be found at the res pad outside Foibles Fair. Takes 2 minutes to get the 3 Icey Loadstones from nearby ice elementals.
C. Boots can be found (at least for warrior and monk) in the entrance to the catacombs due north of Baradin Estate, gargoyles are present and easy to kill for the 5 Gargyole Skulls needed.
D. IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO FOLLOW: There are no helms in preseering, so do not trash your starter, it is the only one you'll get.
5. Leveling
LEVELS 1 THROUGH 4
After killing what you need for your collector armor, you should be about level 2 or 3. Kill skales outside Ascalon City for a little UMPH to get to level 4 or so, and to get the needed Skale Fins for your Belt Pouch. Dom Caplan Is Leet has these as well if you do not wish to farm, just drop a PM.
LEVELS 5 THROUGH 8
This is the most important time saver. Even though Charr At The Gates is easy, and mildly efficient, I have found an easier and more efficient way. Possibly twice so. Outside Foibles Fair, follow the path headed toward lake side county, but do not zone. As you near the portal, to the westsouthwest you will see multiple bears and bandit blood sworns. Follow this path, and kill all the level 3s. When you get near the end, there is a zone to the catacombs, that you can enter and leave to respawn all the enemy's. Even though the enemies provide about half the experience the Charr At The Gates do, it is faster to repeat, and 90% of the time you will be in combat.
LEVELS 9 THROUGH 15
This part, simply grab a friend, and cross the wall. Kill the Charr, get anyone listed on the first page to teach you how to work the agro's, and where to position yourself to minimize taken damage, and maximize output. With most professions, you can solo about half the charr, and with a skilled Mesmer with enough skill, you can solo the entire alter. After a while, the only thing that gives you exp as the bosses. DRAG.
LEVELS 16-18
This part is where you do every single quest, from everyone. Be sure that you do all the quests for all secondary professions. Like, do Ranger Nente's quest for a pet, but don't so I WANT TO BE A RANGER. Then go do Mhenlo's HELP PAULUS WHILE HE DOES STUFF IN THE CATACOMBS but don't accept the rewrad. When you are done with all the quests, you shold be level 18. I blieve it is important this comes before the deah leveling for 2 reaons.
1. Enemies get more experience for killing higher level foes. If you are a higher level when you start to death level, then they gain more experience, making it faster to get them to a level where you can kill them for value.
2. You might death level for an additional week, only to realize, that experience wouldn't have made a difference, because ultimately the quests get you what you need unconditionally.

18-20
Death leveling.
I'll explain more later...
I believe just rushing out to the charr at the alter and dying maybe 200 times willl make a run worth it... because you will of course be able to solo them with your massive DPS...
But maybe just sitting on a res pad starting with a level 1 moa will go faster, even though you have to get it to a higher level and you only get a handfull of them, you still don't have to be there, or spend half you're timing running to get there.

DP does not exist in pre.

Ok the way you explained that is ok but not exactly right. Having had my char in pre for 13 months I have formulated a plan as how to level in pre searing based on the changes made to AI last November. Yes I realise I had time to hit 20 back in the day, but I had crappy dial up which made it nigh impossible. So I pass my knowledge unto you all:

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS OR THAT THIS IS THE "ONE AND ONLY CORRECT WAY". HOPEFULLY WHAT I TYPE HERE MAY HELP THOSE WHO SEEK TO HIT 20 IN PRE. NOTE THAT I SAID 20 IN PRE AS I STATED BEFORE WHEN I STARTED THIS WAY BEFORE THE ADDITION OF A TITLE TO THIS. I REALLY NOT TO CONCERNED ABOUT A TITLE FOR GETTING TO 20, AS THE PURPOSE AT LEAST FOR ME WAS TO GET TO 20.

After making a new char go ahead and get your collector armor, doing that will give you some starter xp and you should be able to at least get to level 3 by the time you get the set.

LEVELS 1-7

For your early levels I reccomend killing enemies in the Catacombs, the reason for this is there is plenty to kill there and you will be able to get to 7 before you would have to seek another place to gain xp. As a bonus one of the perks I have found with the Catacombs is that it is a decent source of dye drops. Also do get your skills from trainers but DO NOT finish the quests you want to save your xp for later down the road.

LEVELS 7-10 Ah yes......this is where some considerable grind will present itself ;p. At this level you would want to start Charr hunting over the wall. I do know that at levels 7-10 for some chars it may be hard to find a partner, or you might find yourself constantly killed. Do not be discouraged by this because DEATH PENALTY DOES NOT EXIST IN PRE SEARING. From level 7-10 you want to clear the ENTIRE map. The reason you only clear it at these levels is because of this: You can only gain minimum xp off of enemies 5 levels lower than you, once you are 6 levels higher than a foe you gain 0 xp for killing them. The lowest level enemies that you can gain xp when by the time you start Charr hunting at level 7 are the Grawl which are level 3 and the Oakhearts which are level 5. So by the time you hit level 9 you are 6 levels higher than the Grawl, so you will no longer gain xp from them, and you'll be 6 levels higher than the Oakhearts at level 11.

LEVELS 10-14 By this time you will have the lay of the map down and runs should go smooth for you. The only enemies at this level you want to kill are the Charr and the Charr bosses.

LEVELS 14-16 Once you reach level 14 though you will be 6 levels higher then the standard Charr which are level 8. At this time you only will be able to gain xp off the Charr bosses. Once you hit 16 there is no need to go over the wall as you will be 6 levels over the level 10 bosses, thus gaining no xp for killing them. Now begins the challenge.

To understand how to reach the levels beyond you must know how to "Death level", the concept is really simple. You see monsters are just like us. When you let them kill you they gain xp, and because of that they have the ability to level up just like us.

LEVELS 16-20 You do not want to use your quests yet. Yes it can get you to 17 but do save them. Ok so here's what you want to do. There are 2 locations for effective death leveling: Outside Ashford Abbey, and Outside Barradin Estate. What you do is go outside to the area where the rez shrine is and for the Abbey you want to attack (but not kill) a Strider. Run to the shrine and let it kill you a few times. You have to watch it kill you a few times because you want to be sure you hold it's aggro because the optimal way to level is to afk your char while you sleep/go to school/etc. if you chose to death level at the Barradin rez shrine you want to grab either a Strider or a Spider. Same as at Abbey watch to see if it holds aggro. Incidently only one creature seems to gain levels at a time at the shrines, I tried a mob and only one would gain xp. So once you have established that it is holding aggro on you put your armor in your inventory and if you have one, equip a vampiric weapon, then go sleep or w/e in about 10 hours barring you didn't error 7 it should be at level 20. If you really feel like sitting there I will share a little secret with you ;p. If you happen to be a warrior or second war using Frenzy will speed the process. For necros if you use Blood Renewal at 90 health you will sac and after testing it I can confirm saccing does count as a kill and they gain xp off you for it. When you kill the creature at level 16 you will gain approximately 2% xp in case you wondered. You will need patience for this part as it will take a long time for you to gain each level. Now once you hit 19 from death leveling then do your quests and get the xp from them I am not too sure how close this will put you to 20 but saving your quests until here will definately help you in the long run.

Whew lol I hope that this helps you all out in some way

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Originally Posted by The Bright

Anyone with this title who left Pre-Searing? I guess the title will still be there Post-Searing, but if someone could confirm...

There are 4 level 20s in pre from before the nerf, which made it so enemies no longer gained levels. Two I can tell you have not left pre. The other 2 I do not think they have, but I have not seen them on in a long time. Btw to clear a common confusion I am not God Antipowers who was the first confirmed level 20 in pre. My char was made as a joke char which I ended up keeping.

Ajantis · Nov 10, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

Dps != Dp

Tetris L · Nov 10, 2006, 11:40 AM // 11:40

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Originally Posted by B§x¿44¶»1@$

LEVELS 16-18
This part is where you do every single quest, from everyone. [...] When you are done with all the quests, you shold be level 18. I blieve it is important this comes before the deah leveling for 2 reaons.
1. Enemies get more experience for killing higher level foes. If you are a higher level when you start to death level, then they gain more experience, making it faster to get them to a level where you can kill them for value.
2. You might death level for an additional week, only to realize, that experience wouldn't have made a difference, because ultimately the quests get you what you need unconditionally.

It is better to accept the quest rewards once you've reached level 19, not 16, because by keeping your level low you will earn more XP from killing a level 20 Moa. I've run the math in all detail, and found that you need to kill about 40 Moas LESS if you do the quests at the very end. Assuming that you kill one moa per day that's quite a difference.

1) Yes, the moa may level up more quickly if your level is high, but that isn't an issue for most people as they are afk/asleep anyway. You wake up or return home from work and find the moa with level 20. Who cares if it took him 5 or 6 hours?

2) You need 13400 XP to level from level 19 to 20. This is roughly what all quests in pre-searing together will earn you, so you can safely wait until you're level 19, then do the quests and you won't "overshot" level 20. Once you've reached level 19 XP per moa kill doesn't change any more, so you can do the quests right after you've reached 19.